Time to close up shop

Tue, 2007-08-21 20:09 — james4shari

I have no use for a vinyl cutter or a rental business. I only want to stop spammers. Since advertisers are now using our antispam blogs for pushing their wares we need to do some serious thinking about the future. We are not policing our blogs. Maybe it is time to shut down. Maybe we need to thank each other for our honest try and part company. Maybe it is time to shut down our OKOPIPPI servers before we are serving the whims of the spammers. One last Idea. We must get a reputable software company to write a software program that is sold for little more then cost in disk form that can be installed/uninstalled at will on our systems which serves two or more vital functions. (1.) With the click of the mouse it sends a threatening legal message or security symbol, repetitiously if you choose, to all open links or email addresses contained in the spam. The number of times it can be sent would be up to you at your risk and configured into your program by only you not by the software company. I suggest ten times. You are responsible for the number of times you respond to a spam message. You are responsible for how you configure your program, not the software company. Each program is individual, not interconnected. There is no conspiracy, no central server, no leader, just individual PC's armed with a program that each user takes personal responsibility for. (2) Also with the click of the mouse the spam message can be forwarded with all headers to any number of antispam or Government law enforcement sources that also can be configured into your program only by you at your risk. The software program is yours to use responsibly. You decide the way it is configured not the manufacturer. An online registration and activation must be provided with traceable code after it is signed for and agreed that the program would be used responsibly.

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Tue, 2007-08-28 04:17 — allesok

Re: Time to close up shop

I think that it has been time to terminate this nonsense since almost a year. Close this webpage! No useful work has been done at all since it started, but it seems that spammers are instead pulling our legs...

Dig down Okopipi, it was a real failure! Terminate this once and for all!
JES

Fri, 2007-08-31 09:28 — Nermal

Re: Time to close up shop

I agree with you. The Blue Frog worked from day one!
The spammers have taken over this site.
Lets hope that sometime, someone, out there someplace can and will do what the "Frog" did.

Sun, 2007-09-02 00:03 — BYUFanatic

Re: Time to close up shop

I think that this Okipipi idea is a good one, but just ain't gonna happen because no one is motivated enough and/or skilled enough to move forward with it and do it.

I've been a programmer before, and I'm familiar with computers, but I don't have the specific know-how to write a blue frog or black frog scenario. I do, however, have creativity and ideas for how we, as a group, can do this without needing a lot of expertise or know-how.

How do we do this? Well, it's quite simple - We need to make it expensive for the spammers. As long as spamming us costs them next to nothing they will continue to do it. So how do we make it expensive? Eat up their bandwidth.

I'm sure many of you have heard of web crawlers. An example of a crawler would be those used by Google to index and categorize all the websites they have in their search engine. Web crawlers can be used by anyone and can also be aimed at specific sites. Basically all you have to do is send a web crawler to a spammer's website. The web crawler can visit each and every single link on that website automatically. Why would we want to do this? Simple - if enough of us have web crawlers hitting a spammer's website it could overload their servers and bandwidth.

Doing this doesn't require any fancy programming, multiple peer-to-peer servers, etc. All it requires is a web crawler. You can download one for free from various freeware/shareware sites. It is not 100% automated and will require a little bit of work on your part. Basically you'd have to feed the website links from your spam into the web crawler. But at that point, the web crawler takes over and does its thing.

If enough people are interested, I'd be willing to create a set of instructions that would explain how to do this. A while back I created a YahooGroup. If you're interested in participating in this kind of fight against spam, feel free to join it: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fight-spam . Once I generate the instructions, I'll post them on that YahooGroup.

Tue, 2007-09-04 02:03 — HeaDCase

Webcrawler

This has been suggested before, but I see several problems with this approach. The attack makes certain assumptions which, if untrue, make it useless.
Spam sites might be hosted on hacked servers or bots, so the spammer or his client is not in fact paying for the pipe.
Crawling over a site also eats the users bandwidth
A somewhat better approach is to poison the spamvertised sites database, entering bogus orders with fake credit cards. I know some people do this, I don't know how well it works. Taking this one step further would be to have a collection of scripts that automatically poison a site, distributed over ed2k, and with standard names like some-domain.com.plc (the extension used for such scripts by PureTest). This would allow a victim to look at the mail, look up the domain on eDonkey, and run the script with PureTest (as often and for as long as he feels like. I would suggest 20000 iterations)

Thu, 2007-11-15 09:09 — DekeTheGeek

Re: Webcrawler

Regardless of where the spam comes from, when these hacked servers or bots start getting slow response, suspended accounts (ISP or otherwise) or large bills for bandwidth, maybe they will take notice and spend the time to improve their security. Part of the problem here is that many companies out there aren't attempting to secure their assets and systems. Regardless if this is due to vulnerabilities, lack of skill, or for financial reasons, these are all excuses. The spam monster can't be effective if it is only a head and has no body.

Sat, 2007-09-08 11:49 — mike1234567

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